My Best Friend Is Gay! How Do I Fix Him?
February 27, 2009 by Kip
Filed under Best Of KipTip, Dear Kip
[ My Best Friend Is Gay! How Do I Fix Him? ]
Dear Kip,
My best friend and I have been friends since grade school. We grew up doing everything together… from riding bikes, to building forts and even playing tackle football. Throughout the years and into our twenties our friendship continued to flourish and we got closer than we were back in our girl teasing days. Recently I started to hear rumors that my sidekick in life might be gay. I didn’t believe it, or even want to believe it. But nonetheless I confronted him and asked him flat out if he was attracted to men. He admitted to being tired of living behind the closed scary door of the closet. Essentially he said to me that he is gay. To think about those days we spent in close quarters of a fort made of pillows and blankets, or the afternoons spent roughhousing with a football and using our bodies as defense makes me sick to my stomach. How could my friend be gay? It’s a big issue for me and I cannot see myself continuing to be friends with him if he continues in this life style. Please tell me Kip… How do I salvage my friendship and turn my gay friend straight. Is there such a thing as being scared straight?
- CLOSET CASE CAUTIOUS
Dear CLOSET CASE CAUTIOUS,
My heart goes out to you during this difficult time. I’m sorry for your loss. There is no known cure for this horrible disease. There isn’t much that you can do for him. You can’t force him to move to a society where homosexuality is not accept and not tolerated. Even if you did, he would probably just hide his desires for men for the sake of his life but still carry the disease. I’m sure he rather lose you as his best friend than move to Iraq. You need to have that same mentality. You are better off spending many years trying to find a new best friend than trying to get him cured.
You shouldn’t hate him, try to hurt him, or scare him. He pretending to be normal won’t make him normal. Who knows how much he loved the tackle football, but what matters is that you played the game as a man, a man that is attracted to women. Things will never be the same for you and for him, so you might as well distance yourself from him because he makes you feel uncomfortable. I hope he keep his nasty business in the closet and doesn’t parade it in front of normal people.
Many countries don’t have a problem with homosexuality because from a young age kids are taught that God created Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. Those that didn’t pay attention learned from the streets and then accepted that in fact it was Adam and Eve. Gays shouldn’t get hurt, abused, or killed, but they should keep their alternative lifestyle to themselves.
Hopefully, in the years to come, science will advance and a cure will be found. Afterwards, we all can lobby for the mandatory vaccination of the whole homosexual population. If you and your once best friend are still alive when the cure is found, you two can restart your friendship — If your new best friend won’t mind.
Be strong,
- Kip
Pay some girl to tie him up in a bed and let the woman do a womans thing to him. Whos knows, maybe he will like it and start going for woman.
Good Luck.
This poor guy. All those years of rough housing and rubbing his man-pretty body against his friend made his friend gay. This guy probably played doctor with his good buddy as a child.
Its funny that he doesn’t mention how his girlfriend or wife feels about this situation. Probably because he himself is gay, and is looking for someone to tell him its OK. I will pray that a vaccination is found soon for this guy who calls himself ‘CLOSET CASE’ CAUTIOUS.
Michael, not everyone is who you think they are. Some people actually have problems, might sound for some, but not for them. But i will pray to my god as well for the vaccination not just for this poor fellow, but for the rest of the gay guys out their.
*Reading between the lines* Got it! Michael, we need to include Paul in our prayers.
Yayks, i messed up in this last post. I dont even remember what i was gona say. But anyways, lets pray for Kip too.
The more prayers the better (you can never have enough)! Thanks!
Did Paul just come out of the closet??? *applause*
I like =)
No MissLiLLy, i wasnt in any closet and had nothing to come out of. Im not gay.
I just feel sorry for gay people and believe they diserve a second chance. I used to hate them and thought they diserved to be killed, but no, they are people just like us except they have a little flaw in their brains. They need straight people to support them, (not in the gay way) not leave them behind, maybe thats why they became gay in the first place.
Once again to all you people, im not gay and have no intention of being gay.
Are blacks, Hispanics, Hindus, & Muslims also people?
(Referring to your comments)
You say you have no intention of being gay, but I had no intention of eating that extra helping of chicken wings last night. You better be careful.
He doesn’t mention how his boyfriend feels about this situation… J/J!
If you don’t count Bible camp. That was funny.
YOU ARE ALL ARE SO IGNORANT AND STUPOD. YOU ARE NOT INFECTED WITH A “DISEASE” IF YOU ARE GAY. YOU ARE JUST BORN THAT WAY SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BE GAY WHILE OTHERS NEVER HAD A CHOICE. U THINK GAY PEOPLE HAVE AN EASY LIFE THEY ARE RIDICULED AND MADE FUN OF. PEOPLE JUDGE THEM AND COMMIT HATE CRIMES. YOU ARE THE ONES WITH THE FRAKED UP BRAIND IF YOU THINK GAY PEOPLE HAVE A DISEASE. I WAS DISOWNED FROM MY FAMILY FOR BEING GAY. U THINK I WOULD CHOOSE TO HAVE MY FAMILY HATE ME…I COULD NOT HIDE WHO I REALLY WAS AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO JUDGE PEOPLE. GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN JUDGE ME AND YOU NEED TO WORRIED ABOUT GAY PEOPLE AND YOUR WAISTING YOUR TIME IF YOU THINK YOU’RE GONNA CHANGE YOUR FRIEND….
YOU LOVED HIM FOR WHO HE WAS AND NOW THAT HE IS GAY YOU SEE HIM AS NASTY AND YOU CARE LESS ABOUT HIM….ITS POPLE LIKE YOU WHO MAKE OTHER PEOLE HAVE TO HIDE WHO THEY REALLY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING JUDGED. FRAK ALL OF YOU…
-CHRISTINA
Homosexuality is a disease!
Gays should not be hurt, killed, etc. Their lifestyle is disgusting! In America you are free to do whatever (legal) you want in the privacy of your own home. Keep your perverted lifestyle out of my face and away from kids. I don’t want them to hear that its okay to do a guy in the ass. Errr… that’s normal? The last time I checked, sex was for procreation and pleasure.
God is judging you!
Lev 18:22&29-30 — “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” “Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.”
Lev 20:13 — “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”
You should research the word sodomy and see where and how it got it’s meaning.
I wish you the best!
PS: Your shift-key is jammed or broken…
Hey CHRISTNA, so your saying your a lesbo. haha. lol. Its kinda funny. I need a little explanation from you. Like men, they have tools to do other men, which is totally wrong and disgusting, but how about you woman? I know dildos are the tools, attachments, etc, does it really satisfy you?
When i mentioned a little flaw in the brain, i didnt mean to say that, i meant to say Brain Damage, like seriously, how can you love your own sex, i dont get it, its freaky.
By the way, do you have any pictures and videos of you and your girlfreinds? We need to laugh at something…
But i wish you luck and hopefully one day you become straight a FRAK a man.
Peace
Wow, so much for feelings sorry for gays and wanting to give them a second chance! Is going through Christina’s lesbian picture/video collection the second chance you had in mind?
I hope you’re not here commenting as a Christian. That’s pretty un-Christ-like speech. You show absolutely no love or respect for your fellow human, and that in itself is a sin. Go read your Bible.
Humm … Your family disowned you, society laughs at you, you feel you have to hide, yet you think nothing is wrong with it? I guess there is a gene in the brains of rapists and killers that makes them act on their impulses as well. Heres to equality for all.
Now speak up and tell us how you really feel. We’ll help you overcome this little problem.
Comrades if we keep up these valuable discussions… Not only will we find a cure for gay, but also a cure for cancer. Then maybe we can tackle the big issues such as the “Murphy Laws”(Anything that can go wrong will go wrong). I’m tired of the buttered bread falling to the floor and always landing buttered side down! Ridiculous…
Thats why I leave my butter dish on the floor.
Is it a “butter dish” or a dish to catch the falling buttered bread?
so yeah… it says alot about you kip that you would abandon your best friend just because he’s gay. Coming out is a huge part of a gay man’s life and people need love and support from the people that are closest to him. Labeling you best friend as “Disease” just for being who he is, is a terrible thing to do. I dont know if your religion is the reason your doing this, but the Christian faith’s teaching on homosexuality is much different from your view, and does not require you to abandon your friend. Instead you should help your friend because he needs people to support him and you could even encourage him to lead a life in line with christian teaching(and when i say that i don’t mean becoming straight). My best friend is gay as well, and we get along just fine.
It’s good that you and your gay friend get along (if you’re a Christian, it’s your duty to tell him that he is in sin). Not everyone can do that. Personally, I’m against homosexuality and I don’t get along with gays. You won’t drive in the car with a serial killer, right? For me, gays have broken this “law of nature” and I will distance myself from them. I don’t trust men that go after men and women that go after women. It’s sick…
CLOSET CASE CAUTIOUS writes “How could my friend be gay? It’s a big issue for me and I cannot see myself continuing to be friends with him if he continues in this life style.” He feels betrayed and probably the same feelings as someone that was cheated on. He knows that things are not going to be the same. There is something in the “air” whenever they hang out. Its this strange discomfort. Yeah, maybe they can pretend everything is okay, but its not. Sometimes you can’t help feeling how you feel. Why should they pretend or lie to each other? His once best friend took a different path in life and they must part ways.
Leviticus has a lot of laws, not just about homosexuality.
For example, 18:19: “You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is unclean from menstruation.” and 20:18 “If a man lies in sexual intercourse with a woman during her menstrual period, both of them shall be cut off from their people, because they have laid bare the flowing fountain of her blood.” Hope you’ve never had sex with your lady while she’s having her period.
19:27: “Do not clip your hair at the temples, nor trim the edges of your beard.” Yeah, your haircut offends God. Hope you haven’t shaved today.. or.. you know.. ever.
19:28: “Do not lacerate your bodies for the dead, and do not tattoo yourselves. I am the LORD.” Even your tattoo of the cross is unholy.
Face it, Christianity has gone through several evolutions throughout its history. You can’t pick and choose which laws supercede the others if all sins are equal in the eyes of God. Tell me where Jesus Himself, the son of God, condemns homosexuality in His own words.
Why do you continue to alienate your gay brothers and sisters? It is not impossible to be a gay Christian–they are not oil and water. Perhaps instead you should embrace your gay brethren and tell them that God does love them. You wonder why gay people don’t go to church? They’re not welcomed there. Way to spread God’s word and God’s love. I’m sure he would be proud of you, acting more like the Levite instead of the good Samaritan. Gay people can serve the Lord too.
I can’t tell if this is a joke or not. If it’s sarcasm, it’s been taken way too far. If it’s serious, the advice was ignorant. A “cure” for gays? That’s really sick. You’re not much better than Hitler.
You should be more positive. At least I have hope… for a cure. Hitler killed people, he’s not a positive type of person.
But what’s the cure for? There’s nothing wrong with being gay. Should we find a cure for women, because they’re “inferior” to men? Should we find a cure for black people, because they’re “inferior” to white people? You are who you are, and no one should try to change that.
If being gay is not a choice then it’s a disease and if being gay is a choice then it’s also a disease. Gays are not “who they are.” Some people are murders, rapists, and etc. They obviously have a mental illness, are they “who they are?”
There are people that get cancer, are they “who they are?” No, at one time they were normal healthy people. Men can’t help that they aren’t women; just like people that have cancer can’t help that they have cancer. Being a man and having cancer isn’t a choice and you either are something or become something. While being a man isn’t a disease, having cancer is.
Choice or no choice, homosexuality is a disease. The male and female anatomy is built for each other. The reproductive system is a dead giveaway.
As soon as homosexuality is the norm, animal lovers are going to start having parades, and demand the legalization of zoophilia.
Not all murders, rapists, etc. have a mental illness. Some do it for fun. That’s who they are, people that are irresponsible and stupid.
I fail to see your logic. If you can’t help being a man, it’s not a disease. But if you can’t help being gay, it IS a disease? That’s hypocritical and ignorant to the minority of the population.
For mating purposes, the male and female anatomy ARE built for each other, however this does not prove “gay” is a disease or wrong in any way. It only proves a gay couple cannot produce an offspring.
Being in a same sex relationship is consensual. Having an animal as a mate is not consensual on the animal’s part. Therefore, I would consider it rape, unless the animal can talk and wants to mate with a human. (Not really sure what this has to do with being gay)
Doing it for “fun” is sick! Something is obviously wrong with their head.
No, it’s not hypocritical. People that have cancer can’t help that they have it and they ARE diseased. Many people can’t help being diseased, including gays.
So, you would be okay with zoophilia if the animal initiated (such as a horny dog) and if the person consented? You’re sick!
This has everything to do with being gay. Homosexuality was as taboo at one time as zoophilia is today (it’s taboo for the majority of the population. Apparently you’re okay with it). As soon as homosexuality is considered as normal as heterosexuality then another taboo issue such as zoophilia, will fill in the controversial “slot” that homosexuality held.
Just as your have the right to be okay with homosexuality, I have the right to not be okay with it.
Just as I have the right to believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder, you have the right to believe that it’s whatever you want.
While I disagree with you completely, I respect your answers and beliefs. They were well written and had valid points. Although I still hold my opinion that there is nothing wrong with gay people, and they are no different than you and I, besides a different sexual preference, which makes them equal.
Props to Larry for being able to have an intelligent debate instead of just two people blindly yelling at each other to get their points across
Im impressed
We agree to disagree. We are lucky to be living in such countries where we have a right to do that. Thanks for all of your comments Larry!
You know, god created a man, (adam) and found that hes lonely and created a woman (eve) out of adam so she can be of comapany to him, help him out and im guessing make babies and fill the world with humans. That story should be the end of the argument for everyone. If god wanted “GAY” people, he would of created some dude named John for adam and not eve. You guys get the point?
King James (1611): “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
Above it doesnt say a man to leave his mother and father and cleave to another man. NO. It says wife…
On Paul’s statement to the Romans. (Romans 1:26 & 27)
King James Bible (1611): “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. ”
So if a man and a woman together is natural, than what the heck is a guy and a guy? Some of you guys are real homos
Paul, good points but your argument only applies (convicts) to Christians. Those that don’t believe in God are not going to care what the Bible says about homosexuality.
Kip….. good point right there! I was just about to say that same thing. Your intelligence is shining
Most of the poeple believe in god in this world even if they deny it. Muslims, budhists, etc… Worshiping someone or something is one thing, but believing the truth back in their minds and trying to deny it is a different thing. Every man is made of gods image and god breath the life into them, from all of that the person, the soul and the spirit must somehow, somwhere and sometimes think about the real truth. To be anti of something or someone, you must first believe that the something or someone exists.
The point of all this, i dont give a crap who believs in what and how, theres too many things to believe in this world, lot of religions, etc, and if we were ever to get a vote from the 6 billion people on this planet, 99% of them would say that being gay is wrong and somehow against their religions.
To all you pro-gay people, i cant believe you idiots, theres alot said and i dont think i could change the way you guys think.
But, this is what i dont get. Back in high school, one time in social studies we talked about current events and the gay act move in california i believe, so some girls and a few guys were pro-gay and we had a tense discussion, so than the teacher says, how about this, and writes GOD with big letters on the white board. Guess what the pro-gays did? They told him to erase that from the board and they will complain to the school director for writing god on the board…… Cmon people, has god done anything to us people that we cant even talk about him but talk about gays everywhere possible? morons
When I said God, I meant the Christian God. So, the God you’re talking about might not be the god that someone else believes in (notice the lowercase “g”).
Dear Closet Case Cautious,
Unfortunately I believe you have approached the entirely wrong person for advice. You cannot turn your Gay friend straight.
Simple.
I’m sure that it’s not just “simple.” The brain is a very complex organ… What’s not possible today will probably be possible years from now.
Feel free to offer CLOSET CASE CAUTIOUS your own advice here, if you feel that my advice is wrong.
I repeat…
“You cannot turn your Gay friend straight.
Simple”
My advice to CCC.
please just stop. what happened to tolerance and love?
First thing I want to say is how does this really change your friendship? He is still the same person you have known all your life… only one little aspect of that has changed.
Would you rather accept the fact that he is gay or risk losing the person that is closests to you, I mean hey you won’t have to worry about ruining your great friendship by something romantic happening between you two, and regardless of what the bible says, it also says god loves each and every one of his children, for everybody sins and all sins are equal in his eyes.
You can not pray someone straight, and honesty sounds like you do not deserve a friend like that, I certainly wouldn’t want you as my friend. You accept others for who they are, not what you want them to become .
And as a CHRISTIAN it is NOT your job to tell ANYONE that they are in sin….
first take the plank out of your own eye before pointing out a speck in someone elses. and Let him who hath sin not cast the first stone.
RE: “And as a CHRISTIAN it is NOT your job to tell ANYONE that they are in sin….”
Are you sure?
Luke 17:3 “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.”
Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.”
James 5:19 – 5:20 “My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
(NAS)
I just read through this blog and I am beside myself. I don’t understand how you can call yourselves Christians and servants of god while judging all before you. Please realize that while bad mouthing and pointing fingers, you are speaking of people, real people just like yourselves. They are not crazy or diseased, or harmful, or animals. Please do not compare my fellow man to a rapist, murderer, beastiality performing, cancer dwelling dog. It is my mother, my father, my brother, my sister, my child. Just stop for a minute. Please stop.
Thank You.
Wow, here I was thinking Kip would beat this dense person into the ground only to discover she’s just as dense. Wow… I say.
Seriously, last time I checked, last time science checked, homosexuality is not a decease that can be cured. Nor is it a choice. Anyone who did their homework would know this instead of being so completely ignorant to the issue.
Also I find men loving other men a lot less disturbing then ditching your best friend for something he has no control over. That’s just pathetic. It’s like your best friend ditching you because you’re a girl. That would suck, now wouldn’t it?
Here’s some facts for you:
- Homosexuality is not a decease. Science has proven time and time again that homosexuality is a natural thing that goes beyond just humans. Almost every animal species on the planet has homosexual tendencies to some degree. Ever saw two male lions trying to mate?
- Homosexual people are not out to get you. Assuming that every gay guy/girl is out to have sex with you specifically is a bit arrogant, don’t you think? In fact, if you were to flip off a gay guy/girl for ‘hitting on you’, they’d probably laugh in your face.
- As for having the right to believe something. Of course you have the right to BELIEVE something. However, you do not have the right to incriminate entire groups of people based on a believe that has been PROVEN wrong. That’s judging people for being who they are, which I believe is called racism.
- If you can tell me that being gay is a decease then I can tell you that being Russian is a decease. And I don’t think you’ll find a passage in the bible that says being Russian is not a decease.
Robin
In some countries terrorists are heros… and in other countries they are murderers and criminals. Do you incriminate them?
It’s easy to use “scientific facts” to prove ANYTHING. I don’t condone hating, hurting, or scaring gays. I find their life style repulsive and wrong and I don’t want it taught to my children in school.
Should we incriminate people that sleep with animals? Yes, its unnatural. Just because there are some “gay penguins” in the world means that animals are also capable of having mental illnesses.
Racism? Since when is gay a race? I think you meant being prejudice or a bigot. I might be homophobic, but you might be Russianphoic (Slavicphoic?). Admit or not… you prejudge people and discriminate against others. Err.. its scientifically proven.
I’m not Russian (close though), but if you think that being Russian is a decease think what you want but don’t hate, hurt, or scare them. You don’t have to love them or be friends with them. Staying away from them is probably a good idea… don’t catch whatever they have.
I have an interesting spin to add to this context. My best friend and roommate for 3 years is gay. I never had to deal with this issue until college and was frankly ignorant on all accounts. But I got to know him and now live with him again. He’s open with me and I support him and would go to the end of the world for him.
However…
He asked me tonight why he wasn’t permitted to have kids. I tried to change the subject but he kept persisting. He’s never done this before and I really struggled how to answer it. Finally I’d had enough and said “I like you for who you are not what you are.”
He got upset and said now he knows what I truly feel about his lifestyle. I have no idea what to do because now he’s not talking to me. Any tips?
I hate christians… They are a disease like members of all religions.
84% of the world is part of some sort of religion. How classic, someone from the 16% is telling the 84% that they are diseased. Don’t you think that maybe someone or some group from the 84% might know something you don’t?
If 84% of the world washed their hands with soap and water and you did’t… Don’t you think there is a good reason for why and what they’re doing?
So serious… Lol. Yeah for now you are the majority.
Just remember that you do not share the same “hand washing” routine.
The majority believed that the earth was flat once … Do i need to spel it out.
Why does sharing the different “hand washing” routine matter to you? You said “ALL” and I mentioned all. Yeah, spell it out.
If 84% of the world is part of some religion, then they are the norm. Since the 16% aren’t the norm and since the 84% don’t consider themselves diseased, the 16% are left with that title.
Ljoubert, you are diseased. I am sad for you.
Ljoubert is a muslim….. Gotta be nicer and admit that you do believe in at least allah or buddah… I dont call muslims christians cuz they deny the existance of the real god.
Grow up Ljoubert
Don’t you get it? You don’t choose to be gay or straight. You just are what you are…
It would be like you living in a gay world pretending to be gay just to be excepted when everybody around you would hate you for being straight. Think of it that way… It’s not a disease and its nothing you should hate a person for.
As for the being best friends and pillow forts/ rough housing/football. Unless he clearly made any sexual advances towards you; Which I am guessing that he didn’t… Than he probably thinks of you as a brother figure and nothing more… Like the girl who is only a sister like friend to you and nothing more; even though you rough house and build pillow forts with.
Gay guys normally go after other gay guys and the straight guys that aren’t okay with it usually aren’t comfortable with their own sexuality…
Perhaps just tell him to chill out with it and don’t go parading it around too much…? Because hating somebody for not wanting to hide who they really truly are is sad as well as immature. And I bet your friend feels alone as well as scared enough as is.
The reason he didn’t tell you before is probably because he was afraid of how you would take it as well as what would become of your friendship; Which is a pretty safe bet that he has no romantic feelings towards you… And more brotherly type feelings towards you.
So if you really can’t live with being friends with a guy who is different from you than let him go; But please try not to hate him for truly showing the world who he really is.
Peaple egt to choose who they want to be and what they want to be, they might not become who they want to be, but theres always this thing called trying.. Right? How many gay guys try to fall in love with a real woman and forget the guys? How about none? But i guess gays like being gay, they chosen that way cuz they think woman are unclean or whatever there reason is. Who know, and who cares, being gay is totally wrong and the gay people should spend hours on their knees asking god for a cure.
Good luck to you all.
@ paul,
saying gay is wrong is just as wrong as being prejudice.
Ya ya ya. Leaving a comment like that is wrong too. Being gay is WRONG. Ask god.
So.. let me make sure I have this right. Did you wake up one morning and decide, “Hmm.. I think I’ll be heterosexual. I’ll make myself fall in love with a woman.” None of the gay people I know just decided to be gay. It’s just a part of who they are. Maybe if you got to know a gay person, you would understand a little bit more about them. They aren’t monsters. They’re just people.
By the way, you let me know when God speaks to you, and you know for sure it’s Him. I’d love to know what His voice sounds like, because I keep thinking it would sound like Morgan Freeman.
this is the most ridiculous advice i’ve seen. support your friend, but make sure your boundaries are clear that you are only friends if you aren’t interested in him. it’s advice like this that ends up killing people’s friends.
“Ignorance is Bliss”
btw u really cant just decide who to love…. i’ve (for example)have chosen to fall in love with Jenna Jameson…. thats not really working out too well….
Jenna Jameson isnt that pretty and shes getting old too. In your case, she probably doesnt even know you. If she did know you, you would have a chance, even though it might be like 1 out 1000000 chance, but still, it would be possible.
Also, you fall in love with someone that you think will love you back, not just any random person or famous people that you dont know. Also, falling in love takes alot of planing, thoughts, feelings get involved, the future, etc… So for a man to fall in love with another man, um, just gay.
This is a funny site. I agree that homosexuality is a behavior disorder, but there is no cure save God and Jesus Christ. There will never be a shot to cure it and if you knew what the current vaccines did to people’s health you would not wish that on anyone according to God’s scripture of not damging his temple. They are given out by the very men who hurt the earth you know. Homosesxuality is not a race to place that type of connotations on it. It is a choice once one understands the truth. Yet the natural man cannot understand the spiritual things for they are spiritually discerned. yet also, who are my neighbors that I should love them according to scripture?
Who was Jesus sent, the whole or the broken? the found or the lost? Who is Jesus Christ? He is the Great Physician. hmm. maybe HE can heal all? yes.
Im finding the ignorance here staggering, even from Christians. the KJV 1611 WAS REVISED to get to the point it is now. Its a rediculous argument although I do use that Bible only. cause i like it. But ya know, in REAL LIFE conversation in this day and age – we say YOU or if youre from the North, YOUS. Not THOU or THEE. Its a more elegant language, but does not make it evil if I say YOU instead Thee. get over that soon and move on into real meaningful things.
Jesus said that unless our righteousness surpasses that of the phrasees, we will in no wise see heaven. Hows our righteousness? LAst tim e I checked it was as filthy rags. mayeb were still a rag? Filthy Rags can be translated into menstrual rag, hence being “ON THE RAG”. thats our righteousness. its mine anyway so says The Lord of all of you as well. For there no one righteous, no not one. For ALL have gone astray. Oh that men would praise The Lord according to his wonderful works towards the children of men!
For all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory and perfection that He requires and is why we ALL need a savior. Dont be decieved…For no muderers (if you hate in your heart you murder), no thieves (if youve ever stolen one thing, youre a thief), No fornicators (if you youve only looked on a woman in lust you fornicated), No idolators… (ever ONCE held anything before the Lord Your God?), No mockers, mo scorners, no Railers, no effeminates, no drunks, for such WERE some of you before you became saved and WASHED in the Blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sinds of the world. Now we are commanded to walk in Love to win souls for he that wins souls is wise.
What did Jesus Christ do? he hung out with sinners of the day saving their souls from eternal damnation and the scribes and pharasees spoke evil of Him calling him a drunk. Jesus drank wine, the type that got you wasted. Yes He did. Do I think he got wasted? No. But he drank it all the same. Jesus hung out with the prostitute Mary, what happened to her? she was saved. Martha – we dont much about other than she placed doing a good job and serving others over worshiping Jesus. what in the world did tehir parents teach them to be a whore when they grew up? What kind of a man was Lazarous? We dont know really. But he was saved and Jesus loved him enough to cry over him when he died even KNOWING that He could ressurect him from the dead and would and did.
Jesus made WINE as his first recorded miracle and its pure BS to say it wasnt the kind that gets you drunk. Common sense says it was and so does scripture in that the man thought the host saved the best wine for last when in that day it was common place to serve the worst wine AFTER everyone had a BUZZ goin on. I LAUGH at any who really believes it was grape juice. get OUT of the sunday school MILK and desire the DEEP MEATS of God!
we are living in THE LAST DAYS of Earth. What is better? to save souls from eternal damnation recieving a reward for yourself for ever or placing a stumbling block between those lost souls in need and Jesus Christ our Saviour? There is not enough time to hate poeple anymore. The day is FAR spent and the night is ALMOST spent as well.
I fear that most of you have NO clue what is happening in these last hours. read the Bible and compare with the hidden truth that is NOT told to you on Tv. On the Tv there is no truth save about 0.05% of even the ones who call themselves Christian. If you have no idea what Im talking about then you are not obeying our Lord Jesus’ warning to us in Revelation when he told us to “watch therefore and pray” so that He doesnt come to us as thief in the night. for if the good man of the house had known when the thief was coming he would not have allowed him to destroy his home. Watch and PRAY that Jesus comes in an hour that you are watching. NOT that you are NOT aware of. Be prepared. time is at its end game.
Know whats very intersting? I normally dont read long posts, but i read yours, all the way…
Before i say anything else, i gotta admit some stuff to this world.
I Paul, Is a murderer, thieve, fornicator, idolator, etc… yea i know, im bad.
Its funny that you started talking about gays and ended up talking about something totally different but yet it all comes together one way or another.
I guess im like you, i believe the bible the way it was written, not the way some guy interpreted it and wants you to believe it his way. And yea, i agree with you to love one another and not hate people “like i do” “im a racist” “i sometimes feel bad” which also includes loving gay people, “yayks”. But true, you gotta show them the right path and only jesus can heal the person from being a gay, a homo, lesbian, retard, possesed, racist, hater, etc…
The only problem i have with what you wrote is, well, first of all, i cant make miracles like jesus can, so i cant compare other things that jesus did to what and how we do things. Jesus was Gods son so he had more power than we ever will.
Hanging out with people and drinking will only get you a DUI and a unwanted “colored” kid now days. Being around a hoe, aka a prostitute will only make you go broke and get a STD. Going inside homes you never been in will get you killed or worse, raped by some big and monkey looking man that just escaped prison after being locked up for 25 years for raping a teen.
You get the point, we are human and “WILL” fall for bad things once in a while. The other thing is, jesus came to earth to save sinners like you, Kip and me, not to make babies, etc… We people, on the other hand are here for simply one reason, to eat, have sex “at the right times”, make babies, raise those babies, get into heaven and your kids will repeat what you did. We have to fill heaven up with good people that diserve it.
We have to help the gay and homo people on this earth, but we cant get too close to them or otherwise they will eat us alive starting from our little dirty brains.
Otherwise, great post, spread the word around brother. God bless you Sir..
Oh yeah I almost forgot.
1 Corinthains 10:12 – Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. [13] There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above that you can handle; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.
That means everyone is tempted of the same things that are common to all poeple. Yes, God makes us believers a way out so we can escape it and He will make a believer out of any who so desires. How do I know?
For God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY begotton Son. that WHO-SO-EVER shall call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved and not perish but have ever lasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord, given freely to those WHO SO desire it from The Lord. Ask, repent and then get baptsized to show The Lord youre serious according to scripture.
Eternal life is a gift, not of works lest anyone should boast.
Anypone can be saved if they desire to be saved.
AMEN to that….
Some people are born with it and some people choose and some are gay because of social factors. So you could look for the gay gene and irradiate it but there will be gay people… I don’t mind they can be gay if they want as long as they don’t try anything with me. Even still I wouldn’t call it a disease. I don’t have the same religious issues as you all have with it since I’m agnostic and I don’t like (before you go all mad I mean some not all) Christians who push their religion in my face I see Christianity all around me I know about so stop shoving it in my face… I don’t called them diseased just because I don’t like they people or agree with their beliefs.
“It’s easy to use “scientific facts” to prove ANYTHING.” your thinking of statistics scientificly proved things are more fact than someones belief
I have a gay friend who did try to hide he did try to love women he even wentout with women until he was 40 odds before coming out. You can’t choose who you fall in love with I was in love with this complete bitch though I didnt want to be.
And I dont get Kips comment about the majority think ur diseased you are? so if 90% of the world got a plague and said the 10% was the ones infected, you think it would automatically be tru?
If you can’t accept your friend then don’t be friends cause neither of you should have to change your beliefs or yourselves for each other that much.
Edit: Was someone saying Buddah was a god.. he isn’t he’s a guy who created a religion that doesn’t believe in god but reincarnation
Mark, how often is science proven wrong? Do you still believe the crap they thought us back in school about us evolving from apes?
Do you still believe that the world is 6 billion years old? Based on the thickness of the moon dust, the world isnt older than 10,000 years old, thats one of the reasons americans went up their in the first place, but decided to cover it up cuz Evolution and carbon dating is Bull.
If people still cant figure out a cure for cancer, how in the hell can they know whats going on in a gay persons mind? How can they know how a gay person was evolved? They only guess and make stuff up so people would feel a little better. But, in all honesty, all the doctors and scientists know that gay people have a disease. Its worse than cancer. I know some people that went through treatment and cancer is now history for them, but finding a cure for a gay is still approx 60 years in the future. “ITS THAT BAD”
Gay people have a “gay disease.” Right. And black people are lazy and Jews have horns.
I bet if you ever sat down and had a conversation with a gay person, you might find you have more in common than you think. But you might not want to get to close.. I hear that gay disease is contagious.
Amen brother. Im happy to see that good and normal people still exist…
Either you missed the fact that what I wrote was highly sarcastic, or you just proved that your perception of “good and normal” is EXTREMELY off base.
Or, i agree what u wrote. Sarcastic or not, its the truth, gays do have a disease, black people are lazy “most of them”, so are white people, but theres a very long list about whats wrong with black people, the jews do have horns, even though jews are smart, they are also very greedy people and liers. The jews were so bad that god sent hitler to distroy them. Its a big issue to talk about, but, like i said, im happy you “jokeingly” agree with me, at least that.
Far better “gay disease” be contagious than “christianity disease”.
I know which one I’d far rather catch.
And God sent the terrorists to kill the Christians in New York and sent the flood in New Orleans to kill the Christians there. The fact that christianity is based on religions before it. Your “Day of rest” is on the WRONG DAY!!! You changed it (not you personally ofcourse) to Sunday from Saturday to be different from the Jews. Changing the word of God and hating someone and not forgiving all in one go how very christian of you.
Moon dust? thers nothing up there to turn to dust! no atomosphere to decay things. Now whos making things up?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316316,00.html
pretty sure its nutritional disorder that effects the brain. disorder/defect and can start uring pregnancy/birth/childhood. heh.
and yes they have even figured out how to, “cure” it. On the scarier side it looks like they can actually make people gay at the same time by reverse chemistry. (Manchurian candidate anyone?)
there are better articles that you can find about this just search scientific news for, “fruit fly gay studies”, i just did a quick google search to find media related proof. sorry its fox news. I may even come back to post the urls to several respected scientific journals but i probably won’t as i was just trying to find a way to approach a gay friend of mine about this subject who constantly preaches about right and wrong without ever looking at the scientific facts, or caring to find out if there are any scientific facts at all and ended up finding this site. Unfortunately the gay community is not embracing this new scientific discovery with open arms :/
Do the research yourself and quit
Sure. A lot of fundamentalists talk about what a “slippery slope” gay marriage is, but I’m sure tinkering around with genetics to eliminate gay folk is just fine. Not slippery at all. Probably not even a slope.
Pretty soon we’ll all have beautiful, tall, muscular, athletic, blond-haired, blue-eyed children with sky-high IQ’s. Oh wait, that’s called eugenics, and the last time we saw this played out on a large scale, it was being funded by a man named Adolf Hitler. And we all know what a saint HE was.
Sorry, I’m more concerned with a cure for cancer than love.
Paul,
I fear your confused and havent reachec a certain level with Jesus Christ. You AMENED the part of God’s Word that i quoted about EVERYONE having the same temptations.
gay isnt a disease. thats the same as saying murdering or lying is a disease. its a sin listed where I listed it, NOT out of ontext as you imply.
READ the Bible and you will know the truth. Also read the bible and hopefully you wont be such a biggot either. youre making a BAD name for Christianity Paul.
Your words do not relect TRUE scripture minded people.
I wonder why the gays hate Christians so much? There is a clip on youtube where Kirk Cameron and assmouth lying Bill Oreilly (BO) and BO asks Kirk if he would go into the homosxual community and rile them up to cause a riot as had happened. Kirk said No. neither would I. They hate Christians because many go after them and forget that ALL have sinned (including themselves) – for he who thinks of himself to be without sin deceives himself and the truth is NOT in him.
Gays cannot be placed in their own category apart from all other sins. It is mentioned in the NEw Testament in Romans cHpter 1 and corinthians as I showed above.
Of a truth if a gay person doesnt repent they will be in hell for ever. were not to revel in ANYONE going to HEll. we are to be salt and light in the name of Jesus Chist to win souls for HIM. Its not about you and me, its about JESUS CHRIST and saving the lost.
Gays hate the christians so much for the same reasons that the devil hates the christians too. Know why? Cuz no mater which way you look at it, the christians are right. Even though christians do make mistakes, “alot”, but they are still more right than the gays and the devil.
Can i get a amen?
I don’t usually weigh in with my opinion on the internet, I mean, who cares right? But I stumbled on this blog expecting to see some kind of rational debate going in the comments. All I’ve seen so far has been a hugely disproportionate amount of idiots talking at cross purposes with just about everyone.
I’m gay. These are my answers to some of your questions.
1) As a gay person, I don’t consider myself diseased. This is because, unlike cancer (as some have compared it to), I will not die from being gay. To be fair, I might die from AIDS, but then also in the interest of fairness, so might you.
2) Being gay is quite unlike being a rapist/paedophile/murderer/zoophiliac, because unlike all these conditions, I will never hurt anyone for being gay. I have consensual sex that is mutually pleasurable and in no way impinges on you, your kids, your granny or your neighbour’s cat.
3) Despite what you may think, gay people are NOT like Hitler. Despite what others may think (and have said here), YOU are not like Hitler either. Let’s just leave Hitler out of it shall we? The gay issue is a complex one and it’s only weighed down by ‘goodies’ and ‘baddies’.
4) Not all gay people hate Christians. By the same token, not all Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin. Horses for courses, let’s not make generalisations.
4a) That said, I’m not a Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist, Sikh or anything else. No amount of quoting a holy book of any faith with change my mind on the position of gay people in the world. I respect the beliefs of others, all I ask is that you do the same.
5) When I came out as gay, no one in my community cared. My parents didn’t care, my brothers and sisters didn’t care, my friends didn’t care, my co-workers didn’t care. I have heard of people being thrown out onto the streets for coming out, and that’s a terrible thing to do to one’s own child. I can’t quite get my head around how anyone could be so monstrous, but there you go. My point is, the vast majority of the western world is on board with this. I’m sorry that there exist places stuck looking backwards, but I’m thankful that my only experience of them is in places like this on the Internet.
6) I’ve never tried to ‘rub my gayness’ in anyone’s face. Not ever. What you have to understand here is that the disgust you feel for gay people comes from the fact that you are straight. Members of the same sex don’t do it for you, perhaps it even seems unnatural. Fair enough. Members of the opposite sex don’t do it for me, to me straight people seem kind of unnatural. Yet I constantly see men and women kissing each other in public. It’s not for me. It’s not even something I want to spend too long thinking about, but man aive I think I can afford a man and a woman that much happiness just to be allowed to kiss in public without me getting all hot under the collar! Perhaps you should learn to do the same for gay people? Everyone should be allowed to kiss the person they want to grow old with.
As for the original blog post, to the guy with the problem: your friend is still your friend. He’s the same guy. Believe me he doesn’t like you like that, if that’s what you’re worried about. If he did he wouldn’t have spent all those years ‘rough housing’ with you. The last thing you want to do with your crush (especially one that would need to be kept so secret) is to play sport with them to get some kind of sexual, thrill! Use your head! Is that what you would do with someone who you didn’t want to know you had a massive thing for!? The poor guy just told you something really personal. That’s the highest level of friendship. Right there. The pinnacle. And just as you get there, you decide to throw it away and start again? You must be insane. Go back to your friend and tell him that even if you don’t like that he’s gay, you still want to be his best friend. Because to be honest, it’s a lonely world, and it doesn’t give second chances. So take them while you can.
Honestly, if he has been your best friend since grade school, then nothing and I mean nothing should be able to change that. When you actually have a companion (someone who may be like a brother) to live your life with, someone who has always been there for you, how can you now say that just because he is gay you want to throw the whole friendship away. It is just one small issue. His telling you that he is gay, was him trying to have an open and honest friendship with you. That made him free to date and be with whomever he wants. How do you think your best friend is going to feel when you say “I don’t want to be friends anymore because your gay.” If your friendship was solid, that shouldn’t matter. I am 100% straight, but I have many gay people as friends and I wouldn’t trade them for anyone else in the world. When you are secure with your own sexuality, then nothing can change that and you won’t feel threatened or disgusted by your own insecurities.
You have a good point. But, good point or bad point, you still fail in my book.
Did you know that most gay people believe in global warming, huging trees, driving green cars? Do you know how to spot a gay person on the road? Easy, when you see a toyota prius, 45% chance is that the guy or woman driving it is gay.
Gay people have twisted minds, they believe in fake stuff, global warming is bull, saving the planet is too late, we will still all die very soon. Speaking of global warming, why do the so called “green people” smoke? Anyways, if they believe all that bull, how can they believe in a real thing called love? Obviously they dont love their partners, the men suck each others dicks cuz they hear men like it. Its like trying to save the world by being “extra” nice.
Another fact: 15% of gays have buddha as their god.
Another fact: 39% of gays live within 1 mile of a gay club.
Another fact: British institution found that about approx 70% of gays have lower IQ than a average person living in the same place and working at the same job. The survey has been done in 2006 so it might be a little outdated.
I found this post through google. I laughed like hell at the original question, assuming the reply to it would set the record straight, but wow. Really, wow.
I'm amazed that someone actually still believes that homosexuality (or more than likely, most sexuality-related deviation from the more normative heterosexuality), is a mental disease and can be cured by science or religion. I do hope you're aware that if you were to make a list of all notable humans that have lived over the past few hundred years, then filtered out all those with average or below-average intelligence (leaving only highly intelligent people), then you'd find that religion within that group of people, is a minority.
I myself am gay, and I have many gay friends. Some of them are even christian, because they believe that (like it says in the bible) God loves everyone. I also have a higher-than-average intelligence, and am working to get into university (With psychology and several computing qualifications). I'm also openly gay to pretty much everyone (including one of my christian friends). Do you know how many people have any kind of problem with it? Yeah. Zero. Do you know how many people I've hit on? Again, zero. Not every gay man or woman wants to hit on you or have sex with you, and if you genuinely believe that they do, then I'd suggest you ask someone to slap some sense into you.
I know that when it comes to homophobia or general hatred of gays, the reason for this is in most cases religion and/or ignorance. You, Kip, fall into this category. However, there is a line between ignorance, and pure, concentrated, blind stupidity. You seem to think that homosexuality is some kind of biological or psychological disease, which scientists will at some time be able to cure. Wow, will they be able to cure people with psoriasis, schizophrenia or dementia? Because they've been trying to. For years and years. And guess what? Those three diseases are listed as incurable.
Your beliefs, in terms of homosexuality, give new visitors to your site the impression that you believe yourself to be living in the dark ages. You know, those old times when people were punished for unbelievably stupid crimes by hanging, dismemberment, and other horrendously violent methods. Oh yeah, they also believed in witches, and punished them by burning them to death.
It's either the dark ages, or the 1800s, wherein homosexuality was, again, believed to be a disease. During that time people didn't believe in things like basic hygiene, either. That lead to things like bubonic plague (Black Death, or simply "The Plague").
If you look at the general consensus of people living today, most people will say they have absolutely no problems with gays. On that same note, rather alot of people will also say they're atheist, or otherwise not christian.
I'm betting that if you read this post, and reply to it, you'll pull the standard "GOD SAYS IT'S WRONG IT MUST BE TRUE BECAUSE I MISINTERPRETED THE BIBLE TO FURTHER MY OWN AGENDA LIKE MOST LIVING CHRISTIANS TODAY." and/or "IF WE ALLOW GAYS TO BE THEMSELVES AND TOLERATE THEM AND STUFF, SOON BEASTOPHILES WILL WANT EQUALITY AND STUFF BECAUSE SOMEHOW THAT SEEMS LIKE LOGICAL PROGRESSION TO ME. ALSO PLEASE IGNORE THE FACT THAT I HAVE MORE OR LESS NO LOGIC OR REASONING SKILLS, AND BLINDLY FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD WITHOUT QUESTION. ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO HELL."
I actually wrote more in this comment than I had meant to. Oh well, words that are likely to be wasted on you anyway. I'll say this: I'm not forcibly trying to change your beliefs, nor am I saying you shouldn't be christian. What I'm saying is, you should take a step back, look at the world as it is today, then examine and question your beliefs. I've read the bible. I know perfectly fine what it says, so I know for a fact that it says people shouldn't blindly follow the word of God. They should question it, using logic and reasoning, and believe what they think is true, for themselves. It also never explicitly stated that God hates gays. Yes, it says that things like sodomy or sexual actions between members of the same gender are wrong, but not once does it state, anywhere, that gay men should be judged and hated. It also doesn't mention anything about it being a disease.
I don't expect any logical and valid response that makes any kind of real sense, which is why I supplied a fake name, email address and a website I don't call my own (to prevent people from emailing me with short, pointless "YOU ARE LIVING IN SIN" emails). I'm merely posting this because I truthfully cannot believe that someone with the intelligence to know where the power button on a computer is, and knows how to run a website to any degree at all, can have such unbelievably draconian views on homosexuality. Even my parents, who are christian and don't really tolerate gays, don't believe it's a disease. They believe that it's wrong, yeah, but they have realistic views on it.
You, as someone who runs a website for providing advice to people who need it, owe it to your readers to provide valid responses that don't rely entirely on the person asking the question, to be religious. Many people aren't religious (myself and most of my friends are atheist – even though I've done extensive research into religion), but still seek advice from websites like this. So the next time someone emails you asking for advice on something, think before you respond. Write back, but give a response that can apply to more than just the christian population.
Advice to the original poster of the question, Closet Case Cautious, you shouldn't think any different of your friend. If someone is a true friend, they stick by them through almost anything. My best friend recently found out about me. He was surprised at first, and couldn't entirely believe it, but he accepted it and moved on (after asking a few questions first). If you reject your best friend, someone you say you've stuck by for years and years, investing most of your time in, just because he's gay, then you don't have the right to say he's your best friend. Rejecting him and ending a friendship you say has lasted for a large majority of your lifetimes, would be a colossal mistake which you'll likely regret in months or years to come. Not only that, it'll make your best friend feel worse about himself. I've seen cases wherein post-coming out rejection from someone highly regarded within a gay person's life, leads to cases of severe depression, anxiety, and other stress-related mental issues. In some cases, this can even lead to suicide if the rejection and loss of a best friend is too great. In summary, accept him, and try to move on. Make your views on homosexuality known to him, if you have any issues with it. Make sure he knows you're straight, if you think he doesn't already know this. But don't reject him. That's what is in most cases referred to as being "a complete asshole". Rejecting him would likely turn other friends against you. I've seen it happen before, and it'll probably happen again.
The length of this post, was purely accidental. I apologise for the length of it, but give it a read if you can.